Comments on: Hell Yes; Hell No! http://historyandspirituality.freedomblogging.com/2008/06/26/hell-yes-hell-no/30/ Paganism was rarely as bad as advertised, and the church never as good as it thought. Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:09:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: apetty http://historyandspirituality.freedomblogging.com/2008/06/26/hell-yes-hell-no/30/#comment-309 apetty Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:51:23 +0000 http://historyandspirituality.freedomblogging.com/2008/06/26/hell-yes-hell-no/#comment-309 answer to don; So very good to find in you sometning of a kindred spirit also. I would love to have you in my course this fall. I will try to answer your request asa to my view of resurection and judgment one of these days. I need think further on it myself at this point. Thanks again. answer to don; So very good to find in you sometning of a kindred spirit also. I would love to have you in my course this fall. I will try to answer your request asa to my view of resurection and judgment one of these days. I need think further on it myself at this point. Thanks again.

]]> By: don http://historyandspirituality.freedomblogging.com/2008/06/26/hell-yes-hell-no/30/#comment-303 don Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:47:31 +0000 http://historyandspirituality.freedomblogging.com/2008/06/26/hell-yes-hell-no/#comment-303 apetty, I enjoyed very much your articles "Hell Yes; Hell No!" and "Jesus as Head of a New Humanity", as these are the only two I have read at the time of this writing. I plan to read everything you have posted as my current understanding of the Plan of God seems to be very close to your understanding. I had set up a Google Alert for the phrase "universal salvation" which led me to your writings. My mission in this phase of my life has been to go to blogs or sites on the internet to teach against the pagan myth of hell. I do this by setting up Google Alerts relative to hell, universal salvation, etc. Often an alert on universal salvation will lead to someone claiming that it is heresy and I get a chance to share my view. The only thing I have found to disagree with you about yet is the statement you made to dyan in which you said "I believe the resurection and our judgment takes place immediately after our death." I currently understand for we believers, this will occur when Jesus comes again to start His millennial reign and for non-believers at the Great White Throne Judgment when they will be purged and purified in the Lake of Fire. Maybe sometime you could provide me with the scriptures you believe support your understanding. I noted in your response to dyan's response to "Jesus as Head of a New Humanity", that you are teaching a course at CCC this fall. That appeals to me at this time because of the kinship of understanding I feel with you as I read your articles, as well as to see what you have put together on the historical Jesus. So you might see me this fall. I retired in May 07 after teaching 23 years at CCC. I was a Mathematics instructor focusing on the Algebras and Statistics. Thanks for sharing your views apetty,

I enjoyed very much your articles “Hell Yes; Hell No!” and “Jesus as Head of a New Humanity”, as these are the only two I have read at the time of this writing. I plan to read everything you have posted as my current understanding of the Plan of God seems to be very close to your understanding. I had set up a Google Alert for the phrase “universal salvation” which led me to your writings.

My mission in this phase of my life has been to go to blogs or sites on the internet to teach against the pagan myth of hell. I do this by setting up Google Alerts relative to hell, universal salvation, etc. Often an alert on universal salvation will lead to someone claiming that it is heresy and I get a chance to share my view.

The only thing I have found to disagree with you about yet is the statement you made to dyan in which you said “I believe the resurection and our judgment takes place immediately after our death.” I currently understand for we believers, this will occur when Jesus comes again to start His millennial reign and for non-believers at the Great White Throne Judgment when they will be purged and purified in the Lake of Fire. Maybe sometime you could provide me with the scriptures you believe support your understanding.

I noted in your response to dyan’s response to “Jesus as Head of a New Humanity”, that you are teaching a course at CCC this fall. That appeals to me at this time because of the kinship of understanding I feel with you as I read your articles, as well as to see what you have put together on the historical Jesus. So you might see me this fall.

I retired in May 07 after teaching 23 years at CCC. I was a Mathematics instructor focusing on the Algebras and Statistics.

Thanks for sharing your views

]]> By: dyan http://historyandspirituality.freedomblogging.com/2008/06/26/hell-yes-hell-no/30/#comment-302 dyan Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:31:41 +0000 http://historyandspirituality.freedomblogging.com/2008/06/26/hell-yes-hell-no/#comment-302 Your answer makes sense, thanks for taking the time to clarify your thoughts on the matter. Your answer makes sense, thanks for taking the time to clarify your thoughts on the matter.

]]> By: apetty http://historyandspirituality.freedomblogging.com/2008/06/26/hell-yes-hell-no/30/#comment-301 apetty Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:10:23 +0000 http://historyandspirituality.freedomblogging.com/2008/06/26/hell-yes-hell-no/#comment-301 answer to dyan: So very good to hear from you.The Bible not teaching the immortality of the human soul doe not mean there is not life after death. There is. But it means that there is no innate immortality in the human being. No part of us is immortal. Life after death as life here depends upon the source of life, God. I Tim.6:16 says He alone is immortal. We live after this life because God raises us from the dead. We live because God loves us and wishes to speak to us and that which He has created in Divine Love He will not allow to cease to be. We live eternally not because of some innate quality of immortality which we posess but because of God's grace which sustains. The immortality of the soul is a Greek philosophical idea and not an Hebraic Biblical one. I believe the resurection and our judgment takes place immediately after our death. It is a spiritual body and not a physical one. The term spiritual body is a metaphor for the whole essence of a human being. I love hearing from you. God bless. answer to dyan: So very good to hear from you.The Bible not teaching the immortality of the human soul doe not mean there is not life after death. There is. But it means that there is no innate immortality in the human being. No part of us is immortal. Life after death as life here depends upon the source of life, God. I Tim.6:16 says He alone is immortal. We live after this life because God raises us from the dead. We live because God loves us and wishes to speak to us and that which He has created in Divine Love He will not allow to cease to be. We live eternally not because of some innate quality of immortality which we posess but because of God’s grace which sustains. The immortality of the soul is a Greek philosophical idea and not an Hebraic Biblical one.
I believe the resurection and our judgment takes place immediately after our death. It is a spiritual body and not a physical one. The term spiritual body is a metaphor for the whole essence of a human being.
I love hearing from you. God bless.

]]> By: dyan http://historyandspirituality.freedomblogging.com/2008/06/26/hell-yes-hell-no/30/#comment-300 dyan Fri, 27 Jun 2008 02:49:14 +0000 http://historyandspirituality.freedomblogging.com/2008/06/26/hell-yes-hell-no/#comment-300 Well! I'm glad you are back and hope y'all have gotten mostly settled in to the new place! It seems to me you came back with quite a bang. All of this sounds very comforting to read, but hard to accept after a lifetime of hearing otherwise. I'm sure you understand. I try to keep an open mind about it all, but it is sometimes hard to let go of the old, even when someone comes along with something that seems to make more sense. One other question, a little off your topic, but you said it is doubtful that the Bible teaches the doctrine of an immortal soul. What does that mean for us? Does it mean we will not live forever in some form or another? I'm just curious. Well! I’m glad you are back and hope y’all have gotten mostly settled in to the new place!

It seems to me you came back with quite a bang. All of this sounds very comforting to read, but hard to accept after a lifetime of hearing otherwise. I’m sure you understand. I try to keep an open mind about it all, but it is sometimes hard to let go of the old, even when someone comes along with something that seems to make more sense.

One other question, a little off your topic, but you said it is doubtful that the Bible teaches the doctrine of an immortal soul. What does that mean for us? Does it mean we will not live forever in some form or another? I’m just curious.

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